For my latest “THR Superstars” interview I am chatting to a well-known UK advocate!

You may have seen / heard of Martin Cullip if you are active in THR (Tobacco Harm Reduction) circles or follow the subject on Twitter / X.

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I have spoken to him many times as he just knows his stuff! For instance when all the terminology regarding COP10 and FCTC has fried my little brain, Martin always has the answer and ability to get me to understand!

I therefore regard him as someone who I can ask about THR matters and I follow his writings and social media posts to keep up to date.

He often writes articles for publications such as Filtermag, Spiked, Inside Sources and 1828 and you will find him appearing in videos and podcasts talking about Tobacco Harm Reduction. Also he is regularly called up as a guest speaker at various conferences.

In fact as I am writing this he is attending the New Approaches Conference in New York as a speaker on the topic of COP10 FCTC. The conference discusses how policy and technical innovation can complement each other in the aim of reducing and preventing tobacco related deaths.

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Anyway in a bid to find out more about him we had a Zoom interview – which I have transcribed below!

Tell me a little about your life and your career so far.

Well, I ran a transport company for 26 years until I sold it, taking Disabled special education needs kids to and from school. We had about 90 buses and 160 staff.

I used to blog in my spare time, since 2008 on free market and Nanny State issues. So that’s how I got into all this. I was just basically just writing blogs about how the government should leave us alone – and it sort of went on from there really.

But I sold the company in 2021 and now I’m an international fellow for the Consumer Center at the Taxpayers Protection Alliance (TPA) in Washington, DC. And really quite enjoying it because it used to be something I did as a hobby and now I’m doing it as a consultant with a contract with them. So it’s nice to be able to do something – at my age in my 50s – which is enjoyable work.

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I’m doing a lot of travel this month, which is gonna be quite arduous really.

The first one, I’m going to the Rugby World Cup with my son over the coming weekend to watch a couple of matches. But after that, I’ve got the New Approaches Conference in New York!

When I come back from that, I’ve got a couple of days, then I go off to Athens to another conference.

And of course the TPA are all going to Panama for the COP10. We’re setting up a conference in Panama in November when the FCTC meetings are happening.

Do you enjoy all the travelling to various conferences?

They’re all long, long journeys, but you know, I love flying. I’m a bit of a transport geek. So it was always fun to watch these buses going around on my tracking thing on my computer, but now it’s just me travelling. My only problem is I like flying too much, I can’t sleep on planes, I get too excited.

I think I took 16 flights last year and it’s going to be probably more than that this year. I haven’t added them up, but by the time I’ve finished it might be closer to 20.

I’ve always travelled quite a bit because I’d go to all these events. However with the GFN (Global Forum on Nicotine), I’d always self-finance, pay for my own flight, pay for my own accommodation, stuff like that. The funny thing is my opponents have tried to smear me over the years and sort of insinuate that I’m paid by the Tobacco industry or something. But it’s probably cost me tens of thousands of pounds over the years to advocate because I’ve spent all my own money. I’m lucky I was running a company, I could get the time off – I was the boss. I could afford it and I can afford it so I would do it. But yeah, far from being paid.

Do you have any dream destinations?

Sometimes I think I’d like to go to Corsica one day, I just have this thing in my head, I want to go to Corsica. I’ve been saying this for about five years and I’ve never gone yet because I’d think, what would I do? I still wouldn’t be able to switch off because I always like to keep up with what’s going on because I’m a consultant in harm reduction. Things happen all the time, especially this year with the COP10!

If I take a week off I’ll come back to emails that I’ll have to answer or read things just to keep up with everything that’s happening. Everything goes quiet around Christmas and that’s kind of when I have a break.

Have you been a smoker? If so, how long did you smoke for?

Yeah, I started smoking when I was 15, and I smoked for 33 years until I switched completely to vaping. I tried vaping before that, but I didn’t actually switch to vaping properly until 2015. But the first vape I had was in 2009.

Do you vape, if so, when do you start?

Yeah. My first kit was really because I was writing a blog and I heard rumblings about this thing called “vaping”. And I heard the government was thinking about banning them. So I went on to some vape forums. I think it was UK Vapers I went on and said, “look, I write this blog and if the government wants to ban these products, I’d like to argue against the ban – but I don’t know anything about them. Can you tell me what they’re about?” Someone on this forum said, “I can send you some spare kit I’ve got” – and she sent me a gift bag.

She gave me all these bits with post it notes on saying, “this bit goes in there and that bit goes in there”! I chatted to her for a bit and she told me to use a company like Totally Wicked.

So I went to Totally Wicked and that’s where I bought my first starter kit. I understood how they worked and I could write about them. And I wrote quite a lot about them.

When tanks came out, I started to take it a bit more seriously. About 2015, I got one from Totally Wicked and a flavour, which was Pear Drop flavour. I just thought, “wow, this is lovely”. Now I can understand why everyone’s gone crazy for it.

It was maybe four or five weeks later that I said to my wife at the time, I was writing a blog and I thought, I can’t remember the last time I smoked. I said to her “do you know when the last time I smoked was – I can’t remember.” And she replied “oh, maybe four or five weeks ago”!

Did you fully switch to vaping immediately?

I’m one of these who was a dual user for a long time. But it just happened one time where I just almost – I say to people when I do conferences – I just forgot to smoke. Now, occasionally I’ll have a cigarette, especially if I go up to Westminster where there’s some people who smoke. I’ve got some friends up there in Think Tanks and they’ll say “do you want to come out?” and I’ll say “okay, I’ll come out with you” and I’ll have a cigarette and I think it’s just not as good.

I enjoy vaping more than I like smoking and I was an avid smoker. One of my sisters, (I’ve got two sisters) she was a bit of an anti-smoker, but I just didn’t listen to her, I wasn’t interested. But she’s incredibly pro-vaping now because she said to me once “if everyone around the world on the planet, quit smoking – I thought you would have been the last one to quit” and so she couldn’t believe it! She asked me all about vaping, how and what it is and now she’s a massive fan of vapes!

I went to Warsaw for the GFN (Global Forum on Nicotine). I’ve been to all of them since 2014 and I think I’m the only person who has.

I remember going in maybe 2017 and saw that my favourite cigarettes, Winston Blue, were £2.20 in Warsaw. So I bought 400 of them. I don’t know why, it’s just a habit, you know? They just sat in a drawer. I’d go to an event up in Westminster or something, and I think I’ll bring a packet with me, because other people will be smoking. I’d have one, maybe two, and then I’d end up giving the rest of them to someone on the way out. They loved me!

How did vaping change your life?

Well, I suppose I’m working – it’s a career now!

I was always quite active when I was young. I’m still active now, but I remember running for a bus once when I was still smoking. I caught the bus and then sat down and I remember trying to breathe and I struggled to fill my lungs. I was breathing in but I wasn’t filling my lungs. But now most weekends I go for five, six, seven mile walks. On a recent trip a group of us walked for about six miles and I go at quite a pace. I have to keep stopping and waiting for others. I don’t get any breathing problems or anything.

What else do you find easier since quitting smoking?

The other thing is, all these flights I was telling you about, I find flying so much easier. Firstly, you’re not as addicted to vaping as you are when you’re on cigarettes. And secondly, I just bring some nicotine pouches and just forget about it. I went to Los Angeles in 1994 and it was awful, 11 hours on a plane. I couldn’t stop thinking about cigarettes all the way across. 11 hours is bad enough without all of time thinking, “I want a cigarette, I want a cigarette”. Whereas I reckon I could do that now. I’m doing some long flights this year. I just pop a pouch in my mouth and listen to some music or something and just forget about it. So it’s just much easier.

I hated the smoking ban. That’s the thing that really ticked me off. I think that’s why I started the blog. But now there’s a number of pubs that I go to where you’re allowed to vape. So it’s nice. Nicotine and a Beer just go together. Some people say Coffee and a cigarette goes together, but I don’t. I don’t drink Tea or Coffee, but with me a Beer and a cigarette used to be one of my big pleasures in life, but now it’s a Beer and a vape!

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current setup? What sort of device do you prefer?

I’ve always been Mouth To Lung (MTL). I’ve dallied a little bit with Direct To Lung (DTL), but it didn’t do much for me.

My mod, Sarah (Jakes of the NNA) bought me this in 2015 as a birthday present. It’s personally designed. I’m a Cricket fan, so it’s got Cricket on one side and the London Underground logo on there because I’m a bit of a geek about the Underground. It’s by, I think it was called “Dream Vapo” they used to custom make them – it’s just really a box with a battery in it and its regulated. That is just what I use most of the time with a Nautilus tank. Its non-TPD compliant because I bought five of them before the regulations came in. It’s 5ml – just so I don’t have to fill up as much.

I suppose the kit that stands out was that one I bought from Totally Wicked, which I first tried the Pear Drops in, but it’s hopelessly out of date now – I must have got rid of it years ago.

What flavour is your preference?

Fruit flavours. I should get some Pear Drops.

Usually I make my own liquids, but I haven’t had Pear Drops for a while.

I just see what flavours are around, just buy flavours that I like and sometimes mix them and see how it turns out. But they’re always fruit and candy flavours, which is really helpful when they do discussion panels. They say “these things are obviously aimed at children”. I say, “well, I’m 55 and I vape Bubblegum and Aniseed balls, these are my flavours! I’m 55 – so what do you mean they’re aimed at children?”

Bubblegum’s a nice fruity flavour. I love it, absolutely love it.  I started off on 30mg nicotine strength, before the TPD regulations came in, but I use about 16mg now, to try and get more flavour. I’ve sometimes bought some, if it’s in a deal, I buy some 12mg.

I’ve always liked vaping for the throat hit – not the flavour, that’s why I didn’t really get on with direct to lung. You don’t get much of a throat hit with DTL. So just fruit flavours, candy flavours, anything that tastes sweet.

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy, tobacco harm reduction and why?

I used to write blogs on the topic “Leave Smokers Alone”. I campaigned against cigarette plain packaging in the UK and we won, I swear we won.

I’ve been doing campaigns for a while. I remember writing about the consultation in 2010 when the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) wanted to ban vaping within 21 days. Also I spoke to consumers about it back then – I wrote quite a lot about that, I think.

I remember saying, this is great that they managed to hold this thing off and they got about 1200 responses. It’s an old consultation, 12, 13 years old, I looked for the page a few months ago. It’s not there anymore. But people who were vaping at the time, they really organised to fight that off.

(Editor’s note – I have found some documents related to this – “Public Consultation (MLX 364): The Regulation of Nicotine Containing Products (NCP’s) 1/2/2010 – including the consultation document.)

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In 2012, we were fighting the EU’s TPD. I remember going with Dave Dorn, he’d arranged a trip on Eurostar. We booked a whole carriage on Eurostar to go to Brussels. We stood in Place De Luxembourg with vapers from other countries and just made a big noise and threw Black balloons around and everything.

Were you involved in the early stages of the NNA?

I’d already been involved in the TPD campaign and some of the people who set up the NNA (New Nicotine Alliance) were involved in that as well. So we thought, “well let’s start a group up!”

I remember being involved in the in the original emails when they set it up – Sarah Jakes, Dave Dorn and Lorien Jollye from Cornwall plus a couple of others. They sort of carried on with it, but I kept an eye on it. But there was a lot of work involved in setting up originally and I just didn’t have the time to do it because my business was expanding and stuff. So I was an associate to start off with.

I eventually sort of got on the board and ended up chairing it. But then by then my business was mostly running itself because we put more people in the office as well as a fleet team and extra management – meaning I could take much more time off. So I got more involved then.

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Martin speaking at the New Approaches Summit in the Harvard Club, New York – on the importance of consumer advocacy on the road to COP10 – 18/9/23

What current roles do you hold within THR?

When I sold my company, I was offered a role with the Taxpayers Protection Alliance in Washington, US. They set up a Consumer Centre to talk about consumer, lifestyle products and stuff like that. I think that was early in 2021. So when they heard I was selling the company, they just offered me a role. And it’s great!

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I have written some stuff on WHO (World Health Organisation) and alcohol policy etc., but there’s just so much going on with the assaults on THR at the moment that we’ve done very little else, especially with what’s going on with the FDA in America.

I’ve done testimony at state hearings in the USA. I gave evidence to the Reagan-Udall inquiry into the FDA. But I haven’t done much of that kind of thing this year, because it’s a COP year, we’ve just been doing COP10 stuff.

The first time I wrote about a COP was COP4, I think – we are at COP 10 now. So it’s been a long time!

You seem to have a lot of experience when it comes to the WHO COP meetings!

I kind of understand how COP works. I wrote about COP4 and a friend of mine went to COP5, I think that was in South Korea – Seoul and I was thinking, “I should go to one of these one day!” Plus the same with COP6 in Moscow, I was hearing some of the goings on and it was just hilarious, I just thought I’m definitely going to the next one.

The WHO are just so paranoid that anyone sees what they’re doing. In one of the meetings, someone had taken a picture of a slide on the screen and they’d sent it out and somehow it got back to Chris Snowdon who then wrote a blog about it. Their reaction to this was to switch off the Wi-Fi in the building! So people who were staff working in the convention centre were complaining they couldn’t speak to their relatives and couldn’t ring their friends because they turned everything off. They’re that paranoid.

I went to COP7 and to COP8. Because I had been into COP7, I was telling people how to get in. I was hoping lots of consumers would go – I think about 10, maybe a dozen went in as consumers in COP8.

COP9 was just virtual, so they just showed you the opening plenary and the closing plenary, but you couldn’t watch the rest.

What incidents caught your eye in previous COP FCTC meetings?

A guy called Drew Johnson who is a journalist, reported on COP6 that people had been physically removed from the building – you know literally “strong armed” out of the building in Moscow which is quite scary.

I said, I’ve got to go to the next one. So I went to the COP7 in India and went into the opening plenary as a consumer and member of the public. I was thrown out like everyone else at lunchtime. They let you see portions of it, like an introduction and then you were excluded for the main discussions. They throw the public out and the press – everyone gets thrown out.

Drew Johnson, who’d been there in Moscow, refused to leave COP7 in India. I watched it, there’s a film of it, you can find it, it’s online somewhere (included below!) The security just literally physically pushed him out. And Rebel TV, which is a right of centre, sort of political organisation, they were there with cameras and they filmed him being pushed out. I was there watching it happen and it was quite interesting!

Will you be allowed in to any COP10 discussions or not?

No, you get allowed into the opening plenary. You’ll get to see the opening speeches and what they call the the delegation declarations.

The opening plenary this year, for the first time ever is being live streamed. So you can watch the opening plenary and you can watch the closing plenary. You see the welcome address from the president and that sort of thing, and you get some guest speakers. I think there’s going to be the president of Brazil, the health minister of the Netherlands and a Jordanian princess, I’ve heard.

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Then you get the declarations, maybe 20 to 30 countries might want to make a declaration, stand up and speak for three minutes about what they’re doing in tobacco control. Following that they’re having a debate this year, which is unusual and should be interesting. But then after that, you just get thrown out or the live stream will be cut.

The TPA are running an event alongside the COP10 in Panama aren’t you?

Yeah, we’ve got some experts coming along, we’re just going to have some panels. We’re going to do some live streams with the people that we’ve got over there during the week and then leave when it’s finished on the Saturday.

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A selection of the experts who will be featuring in the TPA Good Cop Conference

Have you had any contact with the UK delegates? Have you been able to talk to them, find out their stance?

No. There’s been a few parliamentary questions that have come back, which you might have seen, saying we’re not going to agree to any decisions that stop us helping smokers to swap to a vape. But at the same time – this is like politics speak – if COP10 ban flavours and open (refillable) systems, the British government won’t need to stop giving people vapes – only “flavoured” and open system vapes will be affected. The only way they’d have to stop giving out vapes is if the COP10 say you have to ban them entirely.

We’d like the UK delegates to go there and stand up for open systems, stand up for flavours, stand up for all types, even disposables, everything. Although it’s all very encouraging, that they’re gonna go there and stand up for vaping, but it could mean a multitude of things, couldn’t it? The consumers have been doing well, sending letters to people. Hopefully there’ll be some sensible voices when they get over there and hopefully it’ll be somebody who knows what they’re on about, who understands the different types of systems and who benefits from them.

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I don’t know who will be in the UK delegation. I think the lead last year was Tabitha Brufal, who is in the Department of Health tobacco control team – I can’t remember. There’s a guy called Matt Birkinshaw who goes. They have to give the government’s say on these things. So strictly speaking, they should go in there and say no to everything that says, we’re going to ban vaping, we’re going to ban this and that and the other. We just hope they will.

They didn’t say much at COP9, but then that was all being rolled over to COP10, so they didn’t really have to say anything.

Who would you like to see in the UK COP10 Delegation?

The UK Government should get someone from Public Health, Ann McNeill, for example, or Lynne Dawkins or someone like that. That’s who we’d like to see there – someone who’s an expert in the field. And they should, because these are international treaties, that’s why delegations are supposed to include them. You’re supposed to include subject specific experts, so don’t just send a load of desk jockeys from the Department of Health and the Foreign Office, send some people who know what they’re talking about.

How would you advise our readers to get involved?

What they can do is write to their MP and say we would like there to be at least one, maybe two or more experts on tobacco harm reduction in the UK COP10 Delegation. Surely if you can’t have a consumer on the delegation, at least send some people who know what they’re talking about.

If the threats come, we really hope our delegates are going to stand up and say no, because it’s all done by consensus. If a strong country like the UK says no and a few others say no as well, then it won’t happen. But we need them to say it because if they sit on their hands and don’t say anything, it all goes through by default.

So get your readers to write and say that there should be an expert on tobacco harm reduction, at least one, preferably two or three, and stand up for the products. Also say they’re scared of this lifeline being taken from them.

(Editor’s note: more information on how to get involved is detailed here)

Why do vapers need to get their voices heard?

My colleague Lindsay Stroud always talks about Andy Dufresne in the Shawshank Redemption – when he wrote a letter every week. He said, “I’d like some books for this library”. They replied to him, “sorry, we haven’t got any books. Please don’t write again”. So he wrote to them every week until he became such of a pain in the ass to them. Then one day after years, they sent him a big box of books just to shut him up. You’ve got to be Andy Dufresne.

You’ve got to talk to them all the time, write to them. If you don’t get replies, write to them again. We should be doing that, we should all be doing that because you don’t want them to forget about us and think, “oh, those vapers have calmed down, maybe they will quit vaping, we can ban it now”.

You’ve always got to keep an eye on what they’re doing. Just fight for every inch. Don’t give them anything. I heard people saying, oh, let them have disposables and they’ll go away. No, they won’t. They’ll take that off the list and then they’ll come up with something else. They’ll call it the next logical step in public health. They will continue to find something because they’re being paid to do this. And if they’re not doing anything, they can’t put in their claim for funding.

Once they’ve got something, they can’t sit and say, “we’ve done that now, let’s just sit and chat”. No, they have to think of something else to get involved in. Their department wouldn’t exist anymore, they never stop. You have to fight them on everything.

Do you think any other countries will be having the same stance at COP10 as the UK, standing against any bans?

Well, we’re hopeful. New Zealand has been positive on vaping. Canada, Health Canada at least, has been showing some signs of being sensible. Their provinces aren’t. But at the end of the day, Health Canada are the ones at the top of the tree, and they’re the ones that send the delegation. So they’ve been quite good on harm reduction recently. They changed their tune a little bit. They were going really well back at the time of COP7 and then they went the other way. I think they must have got spooked by EVALI or something. But now they seem to be coming back into the fold and doing things the right way. So hopefully they’ll go.

The Philippines too, hopefully they’re going to be positive like they were COP9, they were brilliant. They were the country of the COP9 for us. They were fantastic.

Plus there’s other countries like Thailand. Sweden is a funny one because Snus isn’t really touched upon much by the FCTC because it’s smokeless but very popular in Sweden.

Have you ever been Star Struck meeting people you admire? If so, who?

I don’t think I ever have really.

I used to be a big Toyah fan – I met her – and even that didn’t really blow me away. She’s lovely. I’m not really one of them people who get star struck.

It was quite nice meeting Clive Bates for the first time years ago, because I remember I criticised him a couple of times on my blog and he found out who I was at an event in London. He said, “oh, I love reading your blog” and shook my hand. I said to him “but you know, I’ve had a go at you a couple of times”. He replied “yeah, it’s fantastic. I love it”. But that wasn’t Star Struck, I just thought he was really good fun. And a very clever guy.

What is your proudest moment of your advocacy career?

I think the proudest thing I have is on consumers and how they’ve fought so hard over the years in the UK. For instance in 2010 where they saw off the MHRA, who ironically now regulate the products, but they wanted to ban them within three weeks. And they acted, they got organised and they sent in, like I said, over a thousand responses. That is incredible when you think in 2010 there weren’t many vapers around.

Plus again for the TPD where there were MEP’s who never had a post bag like that on anything before.

Now I’m meeting consumers all over the world. They’re all fighting in their different countries in different ways, but they’re still just as passionate. They’re more passionate, obviously, in countries which are more at threat. So where you’ve got full bans they’re more passionate.

I think the only exception to that is Australia because I think Australian vapers have just been brutalised and they worry about speaking up, but they’ve got great advocates anyway, speaking up.

All across Asia, they’re doing incredible stuff. Also you’ve got Nancy Lucas down in New Zealand who helps everyone out. She’s does some great work down there.

All over the world people are fighting, people in Canada and the people I work with in America, consumers are really working hard. I just think that it is absolutely fantastic to be a part of that.

Do you see the UK becoming anti-vaping in the future?

Not in the immediate future, but you have to always remain vigilant because nothing’s over. It only takes a change of government and a couple of people who come into government with different views and the whole thing goes the other way and you’re fighting again.

The more people who advocate the better. I always call for more people in the UK, especially regarding this question!

Always if you see something you don’t like, write to your MP about it and just make them know you’re around.

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Martin speaking at the New Approaches Summit in the Harvard Club, New York – on the importance of consumer advocacy on the road to COP10 – 18/9/23

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

Well, my biggest aspiration, I want to see Snus legalised in the UK. Yeah. Simple as that. I mean, I would have a party.

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What do you feel is going well regarding THR in the UK?

Well, we’re fantastic on vaping. I went to a panel in Warsaw and they were all saying, “oh, we need to be as good on harm reduction as the UK”. And they kept saying this.

I put my hand up and said, look, I have to tell you something. We’re not good at harm reduction in the UK. We’re good at vaping but we’re not doing enough on trying to get Snus legalised.

There’s quite a few people I know, who can’t get on with vaping but they think heated tobacco is brilliant. I love that. But we’re not really pushing that.

We’re also not really doing much with nicotine pouches. The Government are saying “we’ll allow you to sell them”. They go all in on backing vaping, which is brilliant but they should be also advocating for nicotine pouches and for other safer nicotine products, which people who can’t get on with vaping can use instead. And we’re not.

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Credit GSTHR

People in public health have admitted that banning Snus was a mistake. Well, repeal it then, get rid of it. We’re not in the EU anymore. You don’t have to answer to them. You can regulate it, keep it, regulate it. We could legalise it and regulate it tomorrow. They should be doing that.

The reason is because they don’t like anything made by the tobacco industry and Snus is made by the tobacco industry, especially now that PMI has bought Swedish match. Most of the nicotine pouches are made by the tobacco industry and that’s why they don’t really want to talk about them. But they should be talking about those just as much as vaping because surely if those things can help people quit smoking that’s what they should be doing.

If you could give an Ecigclick award to any person, product, company in the vaping industry or advocacy circle, who would that be? Or what brand?

Oh, I don’t know. I think, Clive (Bates) has written something about South Africa today. We did a consultation response to South Africa and Israel at the end of last week, and he’s done a fantastic job. I think he’s the best advocate we’ve got. It’s because of his experience in Civil Service that he knows a lot of stuff and he works hard. I don’t know where he finds the time to do much of what he does as well.

It’s just the workload he gets through is amazing. I think he used to work in Number 10 so he comes from that background. Whereas, you know, a lot of us, especially me, I’m just a consumer – I’m just a Gobshite really. I’m just a mouthy consumer is the way I’ve described myself.

Thank You Martin

Martin – I would like to thank you so much for taking the time for this interview with me and just being there for me to pick your (well stocked) brains in general! Oh and I don’t think you are a Gobshite at all!

It is great we have such committed and passionate people fighting for tobacco harm reduction!

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Michelle

My name is Michelle - I am 48 and an engineer and Technical Author by trade. I started vaping many years ago in the days of Tornado tanks, Ego batteries and Variable Voltage. My journey in vaping began again around 2016 and have been interested in the topic ever since. I finally stopped smoking as of June 2019 and that is all thanks to vaping! 20mg Nicotine Salts are my hero! Oh and I am partial to a nice pod mod and Bubblegum e-liquid! I have enjoyed writing for Ecigclick since 2017 and love being part of this great team! My passion for Tobacco Harm Reduction has also led me to becoming a Trustee for the NNA (New Nicotine Alliance) aiding in Advocacy

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My name is Michelle - I am 48 and an engineer and Technical Author by trade. I started vaping many years ago in the days of Tornado tanks, Ego batteries and Variable Voltage. My journey in vaping began again around 2016 and have been interested in the topic ever since. I finally stopped smoking as of June 2019 and that is all thanks to vaping! 20mg Nicotine Salts are my hero! Oh and I am partial to a nice pod mod and Bubblegum e-liquid! I have enjoyed writing for Ecigclick since 2017 and love being part of this great team! My passion for Tobacco Harm Reduction has also led me to becoming a Trustee for the NNA (New Nicotine Alliance) aiding in Advocacy
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